Tuesday, January 12, 2010
So can we tell any more about the taste differences by comparing the lists for these two years?
There is a good degree of overlap - with 25 entries on both lists.
There were 16 entries on the Public list that didn't appear on the Critics list:
Caetano Veloso - Caetano Veloso
Catherine Ribeiro + 2 Bis - Catherine Ribeiro + 2 Bis
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Willy and the Poor Boys
Czesław Niemen - Enigmatic
Don Cherry - Eternal Rhythm
Fleetwood Mac - Then Play On
Gal Costa - Gal
Gal Costa - Gal Costa
Moondog - Moondog 
Pharoah Sanders - Karma
The Allman Brothers Band - The Allman Brothers Band
The Firesign Theatre - How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All?
The Who - Tommy
Townes Van Zandt - Our Mother the Mountain
Townes Van Zandt - Townes Van Zandt
There is a few there with which I am totally unfamiliar. Looks like I'm not as well versed in the music of that era as I thought.
There are 10 entries on the Critics' lists that do not appear on the public list:
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
Chicago - Chicago Transit Authority
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Bayou Country
Leonard Cohen - Songs From A Room
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Happy Trails
The Bee Gees - Odessa
The MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
The Temptations - Cloud Nine
The Youngbloods - Elephant Mountain
The result is similar to the favourite artists analysis, and somewhat counter-intuitive. Where the two lists don't overlap the Public tastes seem to be more diverse and obscure than the Critics.
The table below shows the full 1969 comparison:
Sunday, January 10, 2010
with 21 (!) entries.
In second position with 16 entries is John Coltrane. Followed by Dylan on 13 entries.
Ok - so is the RYM user base a bunch of bearded, cardigan wearing old fogies?
But equal on 11 entries are Frank Zappa and Neil Young.
Mingus is next with 10 entries.
Then The Beatles and Thelonious Monk with 9 each.
Hendrix and Zeppelin score 8 each to round out the top ten. Hmm - where did all those Hendrix Albums come from? The Public know their Hendrix and are up on the more obscure concert albums, in addition to the four classic studio albums, that the Public rates highly.
King Crimson pop in with 7 entries.
With 6 entries each are:
The Rolling Stones
Iron Maiden and Morricone?! This is a diverse list.
With 5 each are:
The Velvet Underground
Now things really start to open out. With four entries:
Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds
The Allman Brothers Band
Van der Graaf Generator
And with 3 appearances things get really interesting:
A Tribe Called Quest
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Fabrizio De André
Townes Van Zandt
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Straight away its clear that the Public list is blacker, jazzier, heavier and generally more diverse than the Critics' list. Not bad things.
The table compares the two lists for artists with 3 or more entries.
Lats begin our Public v Critics smackdown by looking at which years had the most listings.
The chart shows the Publics 1001 top rated albums over time.
At first glance it looks similar to the chart for the Critics. It has a big peak in the late '60s to early '70s - and another smaller peak in the late '90s.
But there are some significant differences.
The oldest Public entry is 1940 vs 1955 for the Critics. But the Public also have the newest entry - to be expected, given publishing lead times.
The table below shows the public has more entries for the 1950s, 60s and 70s. The Critics have more entries for the 80s, 90s and 00s.
So are the Public just older than the Critics?
I think not for two reasons. Firstly, a poll relying on internet participation should be skewed towards younger listeners. Someone who was a teen in the 1950s is now in their late sixties - hardly the biggest net demographic.
Second, look at the peak in 1994 and the smaller peak in 1998. Regardless of their age, the Public is hip to some pretty recent music.
Saturday, January 9, 2010
I just stumbled on Rate Your Music - RYM - http://rateyourmusic.com/
To quote from the site:
Rate Your Music (RYM) is an international metadata database where musical albums, EPs, singles, videos and bootlegs (collectively referred to as "releases") are added, rated, and reviewed by users. This data is then used to generate automatic music recommendations for users, create lists of compatible users, and to create lists of top-rated music albums. Weighted averages are used to calculate the ordering for these lists; regular members who write reviews and rate more albums have a greater weight applied to their ratings.
Because users can add, rate and review any album they know of without site approval, RYM can be used to quickly and easily to rate any music collection. A welcome side effect of this policy is that the RYM database is extremely diverse, limited only by the collective knowledge of its users.
RYM is also a community, with extensive message boards and the ability to send private messages and music recommendations to other users.
Sure there are other sites (such as Amazon) that allow user rating, but RYM is a dedicated rating engine - as such it benefits from specialisation, which makes it much more convenient to use than other rating sites. It has a wide range of search options to allow you to generate album charts - for time periods, genres, artists, etc.
Yes - I have a new favourite music exploration tool!
1001 Best Albums anyone?
How will the public ratings (from RYM) compare with the critics ratings from 1001 Albums You must Here Before You Die?
Let's find out!
Friday, January 8, 2010
Its taken a while but I finally have a definitive analysis of producers. There were a couple of major problems in the original data. Firstly multiple attributions meant that I had to go through the data and create separate entries for each producer where there was more than one producer on an album. Secondly, inconsistent spellings meant that I had to review the data to ensure that a producers name was spelt the same each time - e.g. Brian Eno rather than B. Eno or Eno.
|Ambient no.1: Music for Airports||Brian Eno|
|Another Green World||Brian Eno|
|Before & After Science||Brian Eno|
|Here Come the Warm Jets||Brian Eno|
|My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts||Brian Eno / David Byrne|
|Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!||Devo|
|Fear of Music||Talking Heads|
|More Songs About Buildings and Food||Talking Heads|
|Remain in Light||Talking Heads|
|All That You Can't Leave Behind||U2|
|The Joshua Tree||U2|
|Licensed to Ill||Beastie Boys|
|American IV: The Man Comes Around||Johnny Cash|
|Blood Sugar Sex Magik||Red Hot Chili Peppers|
|Californication||Red Hot Chili Peppers|
|Reign in Blood||Slayer|
|System Of A Down||System Of A Down|
|De-loused at the Crematorium||The Mars Volta|
|Aladdin Sane||David Bowie|
|Hunky Dory||David Bowie|
|Station to Station||David Bowie|
|Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars||David Bowie|
|The Idiot||Iggy Pop|
|After The Goldrush||Neil Young|
|Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere||Neil Young|
|On the Beach||Neil Young|
|Ragged Glory||Neil Young|
|Rust Never Sleeps||Neil Young|
|Tonight's the Night||Neil Young|
|Henry's Dream||Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds|
|Twelve Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus||Spirit|
|Blonde On Blonde||Bob Dylan|
|Highway 61 Revisited||Bob Dylan|
|Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison||Johnny Cash|
|Johnny Cash at San Quentin||Johnny Cash|
|Songs From A Room||Leonard Cohen|
|Songs of Love and Hate||Leonard Cohen|
|Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme||Simon & Garfunkel|
|A Hard Day's Night||The Beatles|
|Abbey Road||The Beatles|
|Rubber Soul||The Beatles|
|Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band||The Beatles|
|The Beatles (White Album)||The Beatles|
|With The Beatles||The Beatles|
|Vauxhall and I||Morrissey|
|Talk Talk Talk||Psychedelic Furs|
|The Scream||Siouxsie And The Banshees|
|The La's||The La's|
|If I Should Fall from Grace with God||The Pogues|
David Bowie; David Briggs
Bob Johnston; George Martin; Steve Lillywhite
Chris Blackwell; Chris Thomas; Neil Young; Nigel Goodrich; Paul Simon; Scott Litt
Bob Ezrin; Daniel Lanois; Gary Katz; Jimmy Miller; Jimmy Page; Joe Boyd; John Leckie; Ken Nelson; Nick Lowe; Sonic Youth; Stephen Street; Todd Rundgren; Tom Dowd; Tom Wilson; Tony Visconti
Arif Mardin; Dave Fridmann; Dr. Dre; Flood; Gil Norton; Glyn Johns; John Cale; John Simon; Ken Scott; Mike Hedges; Paul Rothchild; Phil Spector; Robert John Lange; RZA; Shel Talmy; Stevie Wonder
Sunday, January 3, 2010
Saturday, January 2, 2010
What are the shortest albums to make it onto the list?