Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone vs The People 5: Best of the Best

Wouldn't it be great if somehow we could combine the Rolling Stone and People's lists into one uber-list?

Loose no more sleep pining! With the magic of Excel I have done just that.

I gave each album on each list a score out of 100. This was just 101 minus the rank - so the top album has a score of 100 while the lowest album has a score of 1. Then I added the scores on the two lists together. So if an album appeared on both lists its total score was the sum of the separate scores. For albums appearing on only one list, the total score was just the score from that list. Then I ranked the albums by total score and took the top 100.

Here is the resulting top 100.

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone and People (RYM) combined


1 . Radiohead  Kid A
2 . Arcade Fire  Funeral
3 . Wilco  Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
4 . The Strokes  Is This It
5 . Radiohead  Amnesiac
5 . Radiohead  In Rainbows
7 . The Flaming Lips  Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots
8 . Jay-Z  The Blueprint
9 . Interpol  Turn On The Bright Lights
9 . The White Stripes  Elephant
11 . Kanye West  The College Dropout
12 . Daft Punk  Discovery
13 . Sigur Rós  ()
13 . Sufjan Stevens Illinoise
15 . Björk  Vespertine
16 . LCD Soundsystem  Sound Of Silver
17 . Godspeed You Black Emperor!  Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! 
17 . PJ Harvey  Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
19 . Opeth  Blackwater Park 
20 . Madvillain  Madvillainy 
21 . Eminem The Marshall Mathers LP
22 . Bob Dylan Modern Times
22 . Tool  Lateralus 
24 . M.I.A. Kala
25 . Bob Dylan Love And Theft
26 . Modest Mouse  The Moon & Antarctica 
26 . U2 All That You Can’t Leave Behind
28 . Arcade Fire  Neon Bible
28 . J Dilla  Donuts 
28 . Jay-Z The Black Album
31 . Bruce Springsteen The Rising
31 . Queens of the Stone Age  Songs for the Deaf 
31 . Radiohead  Hail To The Thief
34 . At the Drive-In  Relationship of Command 
34 . OutKast Stankonia
36 . Beck Sea Change
37 . MGMT Oracular Spectacular
37 . Portishead  Third 
39 . Amy Winehouse Back To Black
39 . The National  Boxer 
41 . Isis Panopticon 
41 . The White Stripes White Blood Cells
43 . Agalloch  The Mantle 
43 . Coldplay A Rush Of Blood To The Head
45 . Green Day American Idiot
46 . Agalloch  Ashes Against the Grain 
46 . D’Angelo Voodoo
48 . Bruce Springsteen Magic
48 . Electric Wizard  Dopethrone 
50 . Tom Waits  Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards 
51 . Cat Power The Greatest
51 . Joanna Newsom  Ys 
53 . Johnny Cash American III: Solitary Man 
53 . Porcupine Tree  In Absentia 
53 . Yeah Yeah Yeahs Fever To Tell
56 . Sigur Rós Ágætis Byrjun
56 . The Mars Volta  De-Loused in the Comatorium 
58 . Converge  Jane Doe 
59 . Boards of Canada Geogaddi 
59 . My Morning Jacket Z
61 . Lil Wayne Tha Carter III
62 . The Microphones  The Glow Pt. 2 
63 . OutKast Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
63 . Unwound  Leaves Turn Inside You 
65 . Clint Mansell  The Fountain 
66 . Broken Social Scene  You Forgot It in People 
66 . Fleet Foxes  Fleet Foxes
66 . U2 No Line On The Horizon
69 . 50 Cent Get Rich Or Die Tryin’
69 . The National  Alligator 
71 . Opeth  Ghost Reveries 
71 . Ryan Adams Heartbreaker
73 . Kings Of Leon Aha Shake Heartbreak
73 . Yann Tiersen  Amélie 
75 . Kanye West Late Registration
76 . Arctic Monkeys Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not
76 . Sigur Ros Takk 
78 . Elliott Smith Figure 8
78 . Immolation  Close to a World Below 
80 . The Avalanches  Since I Left You 
80 . The Killers Hot Fuss
82 . Opeth  Damnation 
82 . System Of A Down Toxicity
84 . Kanye West Graduation
84 . Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds  No More Shall We Part 
86 . Deltron 3030  Deltron 3030 
86 . Justin Timberlake FutureSex/LoveSounds
88 . Johnny Cash  American IV: The Man Comes Around 
89 . Panda Bear  Person Pitch 
89 . TV On The Radio Dear Science
91 . Fiona Apple Extraordinary Machine
91 . 山岡晃 [Akira Yamaoka]  Silent Hill 2: Original Soundtrack 
93 . Bright Eyes I’m Wide Awake It’s Morning
94 . Mastodon  Leviathan 
94 . Spoon Kill The Moonlight
96 . Coil  The Ape of Naples 
96 . M.I.A. Arular
98 . Fugazi  The Argument 
98 . Kings Of Leon Only By The Night
100 . Animal Collective  Merriweather Post Pavilion 
100 . Norah Jones Come Away With Me


Now that's a list!

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone vs The People 4: Differences

In this post I look at albums that appeared on one list but not on the other.

Albums on the Rolling Stone list but not the RYM list

50 Cent  Get Rich Or Die Tryin’
Alicia Keys  Songs In A Minor
Amadou & Miriam  Dimanche A Bamako
Amy Winehouse  Back To Black
Antony & The Johnsons  I Am A Bird Now
Arctic Monkeys  Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not
Beck  Sea Change
Bob Dylan  Love And Theft
Bob Dylan  Modern Times
Brian Wilson  Smile
Bright Eyes  I’m Wide Awake It’s Morning
Bright Eyes  Lifted Of The Story Is In The Soil, Keep Your Ear To The Ground
Bruce Springsteen  Magic
Bruce Springsteen  The Rising
Cat Power  The Greatest
Coldplay  A Rush Of Blood To The Head
Coldplay  Parachutes
Coldplay  Viva La Vida
D’Angelo  Voodoo
Danger Mouse  The Grey Album
Death Cab For Cutie  Transatlanticism
Elliott Smith  Figure 8
Eminem  The Eminem Show
Eminem  The Marshall Mathers LP
Fiona Apple  Extraordinary Machine
Franz Ferdinand  Franz Ferdinand
Gillian Welch  Time The Revelator
Gnarls Barkley  St. Elsewhere
Green Day  American Idiot
Jay-Z  The Black Album
Jay-Z  The Blueprint
Johnny Cash  Unearthed
Justin Timberlake  FutureSex/LoveSounds
Kanye West  808s And Heartbreak
Kanye West  Graduation
Kanye West  Late Registration
Kings Of Leon  Aha Shake Heartbreak
Kings Of Leon  Youth And Young Manhood
Leonard Cohen  10 New Songs
Lil Wayne  Tha Carter III
M.I.A.  Arular
M.I.A.  Kala
Manu Chao  Próxima Estación Esperanza
MGMT  Oracular Spectacular
Missy Elliott  Under Construction
My Morning Jacket  Z
Norah Jones  Come Away With Me
OutKast  Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
OutKast  Stankonia
Phoenix  Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
Red Hot Chili Peppers  Stadium Arcadium
Robert Plant & Alison Krauss  Raising Sand
Ryan Adams  Gold
Ryan Adams  Heartbreaker
Sigur Rós  Ágætis Byrjun
Sleater-Kinney  The Woods
Spoon  Kill The Moonlight
System Of A Down  Toxicity
The Black Keys  Attack & Release
The Hives  Veni Vidi Vicious
The Hold Steady  Almost Killed Me
The Killers  Hot Fuss
The Libertines  Up The Brackett
The New Pornographers  Electric Version
The Postal Service  Give Up
The Shins  Oh, Inverted World
The Streets  Original Pirate Material
The White Stripes  White Blood Cells
TV On The Radio  Dear Science
TV On The Radio  Return To Cookie Mountain
U2  All That You Can’t Leave Behind
U2  How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
U2  No Line On The Horizon
Vampire Weekend  Vampire Weekend
Wilco  Sky Blue Sky
Yeah Yeah Yeahs  Fever To Tell

3 each by Coldplay, Kanye and U2. 2 each by Dylan, Bright Eyes, Springstein, Eminem, Jay-Z, Kings of Leon, OutKast, Ryan Adams, TV on the Radio. There's a lot of big names here.

Albums on the RYM list but not the Rolling Stone list

Agalloch  Ashes Against the Grain 
Agalloch  The Mantle 
Animal Collective  Merriweather Post Pavilion 
Animal Collective  Strawberry Jam 
Arcturus  The Sham Mirrors 
At the Drive-In  Relationship of Command 
Boards of Canada Geogaddi 
Bob Dylan  The Bootleg Series Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs - Rare and Unreleased 1989-2006 
Boris  Boris at Last -Feedbacker- 
Brand New  The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me 
Broken Social Scene  You Forgot It in People 
Burial Untrue 
Cannibal Ox  The Cold Vein 
Clint Mansell  The Fountain 
Coil  The Ape of Naples 
Converge  Jane Doe 
CunninLynguists  A Piece of Strange 
Deftones  White Pony 
Deltron 3030  Deltron 3030 
Devin Townsend  Terria 
Electric Wizard  Dopethrone 
Explosions in the Sky  The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place 
Fugazi  The Argument 
Ghostface Killah  Supreme Clientele 
Godspeed You! Black Emperor  Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! 
Godspeed You! Black Emperor  Yanqui U.X.O. 
Howard Shore  The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 
Immolation  Close to a World Below 
Isis Panopticon 
Isis  Oceanic 
J Dilla  Donuts 
Jay-Z  The Blueprint 
Joanna Newsom  Ys 
Johnny Cash  American IV: The Man Comes Around 
Madvillain  Madvillainy 
Mastodon  Crack the Skye 
Mastodon  Leviathan 
Mitch Hedberg  Mitch All Together 
Modest Mouse  The Moon & Antarctica 
Moonsorrow  Kivenkantaja 
Moonsorrow  Verisäkeet 
Morton Feldman  String Quartet No. 2 
Neurosis  A Sun That Never Sets 
Neurosis  The Eye of Every Storm 
Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds  No More Shall We Part 
Opeth  Blackwater Park 
Opeth  Damnation 
Opeth  Ghost Reveries 
Pain of Salvation  Remedy Lane 
Pain of Salvation  The Perfect Element I 
Panda Bear  Person Pitch 
Porcupine Tree  Deadwing 
Porcupine Tree  In Absentia 
Porcupine Tree  Lightbulb Sun 
Portishead  Third 
Primordial  To the Nameless Dead 
Queens of the Stone Age  Songs for the Deaf 
Sigur Ros Takk 
Stars of the Lid  The Tired Sounds of Stars of the Lid 
Sun Kil Moon Ghosts of the Great Highway 
The Avalanches  Since I Left You 
The Mars Volta  De-Loused in the Comatorium 
The Microphones  The Glow Pt. 2 
The National  Alligator 
The National  Boxer 
The Roots  Game Theory 
Tim Hecker  Harmony in Ultraviolet 
Tom Waits  Alice 
Tom Waits  Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards 
Tool  Lateralus 
Ulver  Perdition City 
Unwound  Leaves Turn Inside You 
Vektor  Black Future 
Venetian Snares  Rossz csillag alatt született 
Yann Tiersen  Amélie 
山岡晃 [Akira Yamaoka]  Silent Hill 2: Original Soundtrack 



Opeth and Porcupine Tree each appear 3 times. Aggaloch, Animal Collective, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Isis, Mastodon, Moonsorrow, Neurosis, Pain of Salvation, The National and Tom Waits each appear twice. So this is a heavier, more progressive, less mainstream list.

Monday, October 7, 2013

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone vs The People 3: Similarities

In this post I look at albums that appeared on both lists. There were 24 of them.

Albums appearing on both Rolling Stone and RYM lists

Arcade Fire  Funeral
Arcade Fire  Neon Bible
Björk  Vespertine
Bon Iver  For Emma, Forever Ago
Daft Punk  Discovery
Fleet Foxes  Fleet Foxes
Interpol  Turn On The Bright Lights
Johnny Cash  American III: Solitary May
Kanye West  The College Dropout
Kings Of Leon  Only By The Night
LCD Soundsystem  Sound Of Silver
PJ Harvey  Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
Queens Of The Stone Age  Rated R
Radiohead  Amnesiac
Radiohead  Hail To The Thief
Radiohead  In Rainbows
Radiohead  Kid A
Sigur Rós ()
Sufjan Stevens  Illinoise
The Flaming Lips  Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots
The Strokes  Is This It
The White Stripes  Elephant
Wilco  Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Yo La Tengo  And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out


Radiohead rule. Arcade Fire is the only other artists to get more than one album on both lists. Its a pretty good collection of albums. But very white and not very dancy or heavy.

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone vs The People 2: Top Albums

Last post I looked at the artists with the most entries in the top 100. This time I'll look at the top 10 albums, starting with Rolling Stone.

Rolling Stone - Top 10 Albums of the 2000s


1 . Radiohead  Kid A
2.  The Strokes  Is This It
3.  Wilco  Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
4.  Jay-Z  The Blueprint
5.  The White Stripes  Elephant
6.  Arcade Fire  Funeral
7.  Eminem  The Marshall Mathers LP
8.  Bob Dylan  Modern Times
9.  M.I.A.  Kala
10.  Kanye West  The College Dropout

Not a bad list - a little bit of something for most people - except metal of any type. The Strokes don't really float my boat - but that must be just me because Is This It got rave reviews. There is not much that's actually objectionable here - but the best 10 albums of the decade? Let's see if the people capture the zeitgeist any better.

RYM - Top 10 Albums of the 2000s

1 . Radiohead  Kid A 
2 . Arcade Fire  Funeral 
3 . Godspeed You Black Emperor!  Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! 
4 . Radiohead  In Rainbows 
5 . Opeth  Blackwater Park 
6 . Madvillain  Madvillainy 
7 . Wilco  Yankee Hotel Foxtrot 
8 . Tool  Lateralus 
9 . Radiohead  Amnesiac 
10 . Sufjan Stevens  Illinois 
The people really love Radiohead! I don't have a problem with that - give genius its due, I say. GYBE, Opeth, Tool, Sufjan Stevens are all strong claims - IMHO more so than the albums included in the Rolling Stone list. I confess to not being across Madvillainy. I love it when this kind of analysis throws up things I've previously missed.

Overall, leaving Radiohead aside, the Rolling Stone list seems far more mainstream. The RYM list far edgier and with Opeth and Tool much heavier. If I had to choose one for a sojourn on a desert island I'd take the RYM list.

Sunday, October 6, 2013

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone vs The People 1: Favourite Artists

Here we look at all the artists that had more than 1 entry on either chart. I have perhaps been sloppy in conflating number of entries with popularity. Theoretically an artist could have had a single mega album that was more popular than all the others.

Here are the most popular Rolling Stone artists. The number of entries on the chart is shown in parentheses:

1. = Kanye West (4)
1. = Radiohead (4)
3. = Coldplay (3)
3. = Kings of Leon (3)
3. = U2 (3)
6. = Arcade Fire (2)
6. = Bob Dylan (2)
6. = Bright Eyes (2) 
6. = Bruce Springsteen (2)
6. = Eminem (2)
6. = Jay-Z (2)
6. = Johnny Cash (2)
6. = M.I.A. (2)
6. = OutKast (2)
6. = Ryan Adams (2)
6. = Sigur Rós (2)
6. = The White Stripes (2)
6. = TV On The Radio (2)
6. = Wilco (2)

Radiohead, Coldplay and U2 come as no surprise at the top of the list. But Kanye and Kings of Leon were a bit surprising. Otherwise this is a very white and very rock oriented list.

Here is the RYM list:

1. Radiohead (4) 
2. = Opeth (3)
2. = Porcupine Tree (3)
4. = Agalloch (2)
4. = Animal Collective (2) 
4. = Arcade Fire (2) 
4. = Johnny Cash (2) 
4. = Mastodon (2) 
4. = Moonsorrow (2) 
4. = Neurosis (2) 
4. = Pain of Salvation (2) 
4. = Queens of the Stone Age (2) 
4. = The National  (2)
4. = Tom Waits  (2)

Whoa! What happened? Even whiter, rockier and heavier. Radiohead still rules, but Kanye, Coldplay, Kings of Leon and U2 are out. Kanye does score 1 entry in the RYM 100 - but Coldplay, U2 and Kings of Leon don't chart at all. Its tempting to say RYM is a much younger demographic - but then Johnny Cash and Tom Waits represent the old hands. Rolling Stone is certainly much more mainstream.

Interestingly, when I looked at the 500 best albums of all time - the RYM chart was blacker and jazzier. 

Saturday, October 5, 2013

Best albums of the 2000s - Rolling Stone vs The People redux

In July 2012 I started publishing a series of stories comparing Rolling Stone magazine's list of the best 500 albums of all time with the top 500 albums on Rate Your Music (RYM). RYM is my favourite music discovery tool. It is a dedicated, crows sourced rating site.

I just discovered Rolling Stone's list of the best albums of the 2000s. I thought it would be interesting to repeat the analysis for this recent decade.

You can find the Rolling Stone list here. I generated the RYM list on 6 July 2014. For the record, here it is:


1
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Radiohead 
Kid A 
2 . Arcade Fire  Funeral 
3 . Godspeed You Black Emperor!  Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! 
4 . Radiohead  In Rainbows 
5 . Opeth  Blackwater Park 
6 . Madvillain  Madvillainy 
7 . Wilco  Yankee Hotel Foxtrot 
8 . Tool  Lateralus 
9 . Radiohead  Amnesiac 
10 . Sufjan Stevens  Illinois 
11 . Interpol  Turn On the Bright Lights 
12 . Sigur Rós  ()
13 . Modest Mouse  The Moon & Antarctica 
14 . J Dilla  Donuts 
15 . Queens of the Stone Age  Songs for the Deaf 
16 . At the Drive-In  Relationship of Command 
17 . The Flaming Lips  Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots 
18 . Portishead  Third 
19 . The National  Boxer 
20 . Isis Panopticon 
21 . Agalloch  The Mantle 
22 . The Strokes  Is This It 
23 . Agalloch  Ashes Against the Grain 
24 . Electric Wizard  Dopethrone 
25 . Tom Waits  Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards 
26 . Joanna Newsom  Ys 
27 . Radiohead  Hail to the Thief 
28 . Porcupine Tree  In Absentia 
29 . The Mars Volta  De-Loused in the Comatorium 
30 . Converge  Jane Doe 
31 . Boards of Canada Geogaddi 
32 . Björk  Vespertine 
33 . The Microphones  The Glow Pt. 2 
34 . Unwound  Leaves Turn Inside You 
35 . Clint Mansell  The Fountain 
36 . Broken Social Scene  You Forgot It in People 
37 . The National  Alligator 
38 . Opeth  Ghost Reveries 
39 . Yann Tiersen  Amélie 
40 . Arcade Fire  Neon Bible 
41 . Sigur Ros Takk 
42 . Immolation  Close to a World Below 
43 . The Avalanches  Since I Left You 
44 . Opeth  Damnation 
45 . Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds  No More Shall We Part 
46 . Deltron 3030  Deltron 3030 
47 . Johnny Cash  American IV: The Man Comes Around 
48 . Panda Bear  Person Pitch 
49 . 山岡晃 [Akira Yamaoka]  Silent Hill 2: Original Soundtrack 
50 . Daft Punk  Discovery 
51 . Mastodon  Leviathan 
52 . Coil  The Ape of Naples 
53 . Fugazi  The Argument 
54 . Animal Collective  Merriweather Post Pavilion 
55 . Boris  Boris at Last -Feedbacker- 
56 . Mastodon  Crack the Skye 
57 . Ulver  Perdition City 
58 . Burial Untrue 
59 . Venetian Snares  Rossz csillag alatt született 
60 . Jay-Z  The Blueprint 
61 . Isis  Oceanic 
62 . Neurosis  A Sun That Never Sets 
63 . Mitch Hedberg  Mitch All Together 
64 . Cannibal Ox  The Cold Vein 
65 . The White Stripes  Elephant 
66 . Bob Dylan  The Bootleg Series Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs - Rare and Unreleased 1989-2006 
67 . Johnny Cash  American III: Solitary Man 
68 . Porcupine Tree  Lightbulb Sun 
69 . PJ Harvey  Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea 
70 . Porcupine Tree  Deadwing 
71 . Primordial  To the Nameless Dead 
72 . Kanye West  The College Dropout 
73 . Bon Iver  For Emma, Forever Ago 
74 . Godspeed You! Black Emperor  Yanqui U.X.O. 
75 . Howard Shore  The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 
76 . Stars of the Lid  The Tired Sounds of Stars of the Lid 
77 . Queens of the Stone Age  Rated R 
78 . Moonsorrow  Verisäkeet 
79 . Explosions in the Sky  The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place 
80 . Tim Hecker  Harmony in Ultraviolet 
81 . Morton Feldman  String Quartet No. 2 
82 . Sun Kil Moon Ghosts of the Great Highway 
83 . Deftones  White Pony 
84 . Ghostface Killah  Supreme Clientele 
85 . CunninLynguists  A Piece of Strange 
86 . The Roots  Game Theory 
87 . Animal Collective  Strawberry Jam 
88 . Neurosis  The Eye of Every Storm 
89 . LCD Soundsystem  Sound of Silver 
90 . Fleet Foxes  Fleet Foxes 
91 . Moonsorrow  Kivenkantaja 
92 . Yo La Tengo  And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out 
93 . Negură Bunget  OM 
94 . Tom Waits  Alice 
95 . Devin Townsend  Terria 
96 . Arcturus  The Sham Mirrors 
97 . Pain of Salvation  Remedy Lane 
98 . Pain of Salvation  The Perfect Element I 
99 . Vektor  Black Future 
100 . Brand New  The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me